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Masking salient reasoning prefixes during distillation makes compact VLMs anchor their thinking on visual evidence.
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load-bearing objection The paper introduces token-wise salient reasoning-prefix masking plus self-paced scheduling to push distilled think-answer VLMs toward visual evidence, but the abstract supplies no numbers or ablation details so the size of the gain is unknown. the 3 major comments →
Hide to See: Reasoning-prefix Masking for Visual-anchored Thinking in VLM Distillation
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Core claim
Replacing the causal mask with a salient reasoning-prefix mask that blocks future tokens and salient reasoning cues encourages the student to rely on visual evidence as an alternative information source, leading to improved multimodal reasoning in the distilled model.
What carries the argument
Salient reasoning-prefix masking strategy, including token-wise masking of high-influence prefixes and self-paced budget scheduling based on teacher-student distribution discrepancy.
Load-bearing premise
Masking salient reasoning prefixes will cause the student to increase reliance on visual evidence without creating incoherent reasoning or spurious correlations.
What would settle it
If measurements of visual token attention or relevance scores in the student's reasoning steps show no increase after applying the masking compared to standard distillation, the central claim would not hold.
If this is right
- The distilled student model outperforms recent open-source VLMs, VLM distillation, and self-distillation methods on multimodal reasoning benchmarks.
- Further analyses confirm enhanced visual utilization along the student thinking process.
- The approach mitigates visual forgetting issues in long think-answer traces.
- The self-paced masking adapts to distillation difficulty measured by distribution discrepancies.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- This masking technique might generalize to distilling reasoning in other multimodal or even unimodal settings where forgetting of key inputs occurs.
- Testing the method on tasks requiring fine-grained visual details could reveal if the visual anchoring improves specific perception capabilities.
- Combining this masking with other regularization techniques might further stabilize the distillation process.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces a think-answer distillation framework for VLMs called 'Hide to See' that applies token-wise salient reasoning-prefix masking (based on per-token influence) and self-paced masking budget scheduling (based on teacher-student distribution discrepancy) during distillation. The student is trained with a modified mask that blocks both future tokens and high-influence reasoning prefixes, with the goal of forcing greater reliance on visual evidence to compensate for masked textual cues. The authors claim this yields better performance than recent open-source VLMs, VLM distillation, and self-distillation baselines on multimodal reasoning benchmarks, along with analyses showing improved visual utilization in the student's reasoning trace.
Significance. If the performance gains and causal link to visual anchoring hold under rigorous controls, the method could provide a practical route to distilling long-horizon reasoning into compact VLMs while mitigating visual forgetting, which is a recognized bottleneck in current think-answer architectures.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the method 'outperforms recent open-source VLMs, VLM distillation, and self-distillation methods on multimodal reasoning benchmarks' and that 'further analyzes confirm enhanced visual utilization' is asserted without any quantitative results, baseline names, dataset identifiers, or ablation tables; this renders the primary empirical contribution unevaluable from the provided text.
- [Method] Method description (implicit in abstract): the mechanism leaves unspecified whether per-token influence scores are derived from teacher or student logits/gradients, whether the salient-prefix mask is applied only during distillation or also at inference, and whether any controlled probe (visual perturbation, attention rollout restricted to image tokens, or ablation that removes the mask component while retaining the schedule) isolates the visual-anchoring effect from generic regularization or longer effective context.
- [Experiments / Analyses] The skeptic concern lands: no evidence is supplied that the reported gains survive when the same self-paced schedule is applied without the salient-prefix component, leaving the load-bearing causal claim (masking increases visual dependence during the student's own autoregressive trace) untested.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] Abstract: 'think-answer' and 'Qwen3-VL-Thinking' are referenced without a brief definition or citation to the prior work that introduced the paradigm.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed feedback. We address each major comment point by point below, clarifying our approach and committing to revisions where the manuscript can be strengthened.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the method 'outperforms recent open-source VLMs, VLM distillation, and self-distillation methods on multimodal reasoning benchmarks' and that 'further analyzes confirm enhanced visual utilization' is asserted without any quantitative results, baseline names, dataset identifiers, or ablation tables; this renders the primary empirical contribution unevaluable from the provided text.
Authors: We agree that the abstract would benefit from greater specificity to allow immediate evaluation of the claims. In the revised manuscript we will update the abstract to include concrete quantitative results (e.g., absolute gains on MMMU, MathVista and similar benchmarks), name the primary baselines (recent open-source VLMs and distillation methods), and reference the datasets and key ablations. The full experimental section already contains these details; the revision will make the abstract self-contained. revision: yes
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Referee: [Method] Method description (implicit in abstract): the mechanism leaves unspecified whether per-token influence scores are derived from teacher or student logits/gradients, whether the salient-prefix mask is applied only during distillation or also at inference, and whether any controlled probe (visual perturbation, attention rollout restricted to image tokens, or ablation that removes the mask component while retaining the schedule) isolates the visual-anchoring effect from generic regularization or longer effective context.
Authors: We will expand the method section to explicitly state that per-token influence scores are computed from the teacher model's logits. The salient-prefix mask is applied exclusively during the distillation training phase and is not used at inference. We will also add descriptions of the existing controlled probes, including attention rollout restricted to image tokens and the ablation that isolates the mask component from the schedule, to better demonstrate the visual-anchoring mechanism. revision: yes
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Referee: [Experiments / Analyses] The skeptic concern lands: no evidence is supplied that the reported gains survive when the same self-paced schedule is applied without the salient-prefix component, leaving the load-bearing causal claim (masking increases visual dependence during the student's own autoregressive trace) untested.
Authors: This concern is well-taken and directly targets the causal attribution of the masking strategy. We will add a new ablation experiment in the revised version that applies the identical self-paced schedule without the salient reasoning-prefix masking. This control will test whether the performance gains persist in the absence of the prefix-masking component and thereby strengthen evidence that the masking specifically promotes visual dependence in the student's autoregressive trace. Existing reasoning-trace analyses already indicate improved visual utilization; the additional ablation will provide the requested isolation. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation is self-contained
full rationale
The paper introduces a masking-based distillation method for VLMs that uses token-wise salient-prefix masking and self-paced scheduling to encourage visual anchoring during student reasoning. The abstract and description frame the approach as operating on external teacher distributions with standard benchmark evaluation and post-hoc analyses for visual utilization. No equations, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, self-citations as load-bearing premises, or ansatzes smuggled via prior work appear in the provided text. The central mechanism (masking to force reliance on visual tokens) is presented as an empirical intervention rather than a definitional identity or reduction to inputs by construction. This matches the default expectation of a non-circular paper.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
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Recent think-answer approaches in VLMs, such as Qwen3-VL-Thinking, boost reasoning performance by leveraging intermediate thinking steps before the final answer, but their computational cost becomes substantial, especially for larger VLMs. To distill such capabilities into compact think-answer VLMs, a primary objective is to improve the student's ability to utilize visual evidence throughout its reasoning trace, as long think-answer traces suffer from visual forgetting issues. To this end, we introduce a novel think-answer distillation framework that encourages the student to anchor its thinking on visual information by masking the student's salient reasoning prefixes. To compensate for such masked textual cues, the student is encouraged to rely more on visual evidence as an alternative source of information during distillation. Our masking strategies include: 1) token-wise salient reasoning-prefix masking, which masks high-influence reasoning prefixes selectively for each next-token prediction, and 2) self-paced masking budget scheduling, which gradually increases the masking scale according to distillation difficulty, measured by the discrepancy between teacher--student distributions. In the distillation phase, the student is guided by our salient reasoning-prefix mask, which blocks both future tokens and salient reasoning cues, in place of the standard causal mask used for auto-regressive language modeling. Experimental results show that our approach outperforms recent open-source VLMs, VLM distillation, and self-distillation methods on multimodal reasoning benchmarks, while further analyzes confirm enhanced visual utilization along the student thinking process.
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