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Spherical KV stores keys as angles and radii to compute attention logits directly and allocates retention by rate-distortion utility under a fixed budget.
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load-bearing objection Spherical KV pairs angle codes with rate-distortion retention but supplies no math or tests for the core approximation. the 1 major comments →
SPHERICAL KV: Angle-Domain Attention and Rate-Distortion Retention for Efficient Long-Context Inference
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Spherical KV treats KV allocation as a rate-distortion problem grounded in attention geometry. Keys are stored as a scalar radius plus compact angle codes; attention logits are formed directly from these codes without reconstructing dense keys. Rate-Distortion Retention then chooses per-token, per-head keep or drop decisions and precision tiers inside a fixed budget, yielding tier-homogeneous pages with lightweight metadata that support coalesced reads.
What carries the argument
Angle-Domain Attention (ADA) that parameterizes keys spherically for direct logit computation, combined with Rate-Distortion Retention (RDR) that jointly optimizes retention and precision under a budget.
Load-bearing premise
The spherical angle codes and rate-distortion allocation preserve enough attention fidelity that downstream model accuracy stays acceptable.
What would settle it
Measure perplexity or needle-in-haystack accuracy on a long-context benchmark when Spherical KV is enabled versus a dense baseline; a clear drop beyond a few percent would falsify the fidelity claim.
If this is right
- KV residency shrinks while the decode path remains paged, block-local, and fusion-friendly.
- HBM traffic falls because dense keys are never reconstructed in the hot loop.
- Tier-homogeneous pages with light metadata enable efficient coalesced memory reads.
- The method supplies a deployment-oriented way to trade residency against compute without altering attention structure.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same spherical representation might pair with existing quantization or eviction schemes for additive savings.
- Utility estimates inside RDR could be made task-aware if future utility signals become available at serving time.
- The geometry assumption may extend to other attention variants if directional information dominates in those models as well.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proposes Spherical KV, a long-context inference technique that represents keys via a spherical parameterization (scalar radius plus compact angle codes) in Angle-Domain Attention (ADA) so that attention logits can be computed directly from the codes without reconstructing dense key vectors, paired with Rate-Distortion Retention (RDR) that jointly selects per-token/head keep/drop decisions and precision tiers under a fixed budget to produce tier-homogeneous pages; the combined method is claimed to reduce KV residency and HBM traffic while preserving decode efficiency and model accuracy.
Significance. If the geometric approximation in ADA maintains sufficient fidelity to the original attention scores, the approach could meaningfully alleviate the memory-bandwidth bottleneck in long-context serving by enabling paged, block-local, fusion-friendly decode paths; the rate-distortion framing supplies a principled allocation mechanism that existing eviction or quantization methods lack.
major comments (1)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that attention logits are computed 'directly from these codes' without key reconstruction is load-bearing for both the efficiency and accuracy assertions, yet the manuscript supplies neither the explicit mapping from compact angle codes to approximated unit vectors, nor an error analysis or bound on how angle compression and quantization distort the geometry relative to the original Q·K dot products. Without this, it is impossible to verify whether per-head approximation error compounds across layers sufficiently to alter attention distributions and downstream outputs.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for highlighting the need for explicit details on the Angle-Domain Attention mapping and error analysis. This is a valid observation on the current manuscript draft. We will strengthen the presentation in revision while preserving the core claims.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that attention logits are computed 'directly from these codes' without key reconstruction is load-bearing for both the efficiency and accuracy assertions, yet the manuscript supplies neither the explicit mapping from compact angle codes to approximated unit vectors, nor an error analysis or bound on how angle compression and quantization distort the geometry relative to the original Q·K dot products. Without this, it is impossible to verify whether per-head approximation error compounds across layers sufficiently to alter attention distributions and downstream outputs.
Authors: We agree the manuscript would be improved by including the explicit mapping and supporting analysis. In the revised version we will add: (1) the precise decoding function that maps the compact angle codes plus radius to an approximated unit vector via quantized spherical coordinates converted to Cartesian form, enabling direct logit computation as q · (r · û(code)); (2) a quantization-error bound derived from the angular granularity together with empirical per-layer logit distortion measurements on representative long-context traces showing that the approximation error remains small enough not to materially change attention distributions or downstream accuracy. These additions will be placed in the ADA section and referenced from the abstract. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity in derivation chain
full rationale
The provided abstract and text introduce ADA and RDR as engineering components for KV cache management using spherical parameterization and rate-distortion allocation. No equations, fitted parameters called predictions, self-citations as load-bearing premises, or renamings of known results are present. The claims rest on the proposed mechanisms themselves without reducing to self-defined inputs or prior author work by construction. This is a standard non-finding for a methods paper whose central contribution is the design rather than a closed mathematical derivation.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
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Long-context inference is increasingly constrained by the KV cache: resident memory grows with context length, and decoding becomes limited by repeated High Bandwidth Memory (HBM) streaming rather than arithmetic. Existing methods such as eviction, windowing, quantization, and offloading reduce footprint, but often leave the critical-path bottleneck only partially addressed, especially when compressed states must still be reconstructed into dense vectors during decoding. We present Spherical KV, a long-context inference method that treats KV allocation as a rate-distortion problem grounded in attention geometry for efficient decoding. The method is built on two ideas: (i) represent directional information cheaply in the decode hot loop, and (ii) allocate retention and precision according to estimated future utility. Its first component, Angle-Domain Attention (ADA), stores keys in a spherical parameterization consisting of a scalar radius and compact angle codes, and computes attention logits directly from these codes without reconstructing dense keys. This preserves a paged, block-local, fusion-friendly decode path and directly targets HBM traffic in realistic serving settings. Its second component, Rate-Distortion Retention (RDR), jointly chooses keep/drop decisions and precision tiers per token and head under a fixed budget, producing tier-homogeneous pages with lightweight metadata and coalesced reads. Together, ADA and RDR provide a deployment-oriented mechanism for reducing KV residency while preserving decode efficiency.
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decompress then dot-product
Compressed-domain kernels. Replace “decompress then dot-product” with angle-domain com- pute fused into IO-aware decoding kernels, reducing HBM traffic per token under FlashAttention- style dataflow constraints (Dao et al., 2022; Dao, 2023; Ye et al., 2025)
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decompress- then-dot-product
Unified budgeting via rate–distortion control. Unify keep/drop decisions (Bui et al., 2025; Huang et al., 2025) with precision allocation(Xia et al., 2025; Su et al., 2025a) by allocating a fixed budget per token/head/layer over(i) retentionand (ii) angular/radial bits, optimizing an explicit distortion surrogate tied to downstream loss. Evaluation requir...
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KV quantization as usual
and paged KV serving ( Kwon et al., 2023b). No-reconstruction invariant (kernel-realized). The central systems constraint is an explicit invari- ant: No-reconstruction invariant. The decode kernel computes logits using [cos θ = f (cθ q, cθ k; b) and radius rk, without materializing any dense ˜k2 Rd in HBM. Accordingly, Spherical KV uses the angle-domain l...
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Compute ∆i(b) (or a proxy) for each state and tier, along with cost(b)
Score. Compute ∆i(b) (or a proxy) for each state and tier, along with cost(b). Enforce protection constraints immediately
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Start from a safe tier for all kept states; then down-tier states with lowest vpB until the budget is met; only then drop the least valuable states
Allocate tiers before dropping. Start from a safe tier for all kept states; then down-tier states with lowest vpB until the budget is met; only then drop the least valuable states
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down-tier then drop
Write tier-homogeneous pages. Group states by tier into contiguous pages with fixed headers, enabling specialized kernels and coalesced reads. This “down-tier then drop” structure is important: it avoids brittle discontinuities induced by hard truncation and typically yields smoother quality degradation under tighter budgets. B.3 Working Together: One Con...
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it is measured under the same paged/ragged substrate and the same decode settings as the ref- erence,
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it satisfies the same dense-relative quality tolerance∆,
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This is why the frontier points are not merely visualization artifacts; they are the actual feasible operating states of the deployment system under an explicit fairness contract
it carries a complete measured tuple (bKV, bHBM, s, q), with end-to-end accounting. This is why the frontier points are not merely visualization artifacts; they are the actual feasible operating states of the deployment system under an explicit fairness contract. D.1.2 Main frontier result across models and context lengths Structure of the existing 3 3 fr...
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fixing the quality regime viaP ∆ m ,
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fixing the deployment substrate via shared paged/ragged serving,
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This is why Fig
displaying the trade-off surface rather than isolated cherry-picked points. This is why Fig. 4 is the correct top-level result figure for the appendix. 500 750 1000 1250 1500 1750 2000 2250 200 250 300decode throughput (tok/s) Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct | L=8K 500 1000 1500 2000 2500 125 150 175 200 225 Qwen2.5-14B-Instruct | L=8K 500 1000 1500 2000 2500 150 1...
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Γs is computed only overP ∆ m , so it does not reward hidden quality degrada- tion
Quality conditioning. Γs is computed only overP ∆ m , so it does not reward hidden quality degrada- tion
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Γm is computed only over points that meet or exceed dense throughput, so it does not reward trivially slow but memory-thrifty settings
Speed conditioning. Γm is computed only over points that meet or exceed dense throughput, so it does not reward trivially slow but memory-thrifty settings
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Both quantities use the same deployment-true definition of bKV, including paging and metadata overhead
Shared accounting. Both quantities use the same deployment-true definition of bKV, including paging and metadata overhead
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the stored rep- resentation is smaller
Shared substrate. Both are measured under the same paged/ragged serving substrate and the same end-to-end runtime contract. For a systems paper, these properties are essential; without them, a reported gain can simply reflect a weaker operating condition rather than a genuinely better method. Why they matter more than raw single-point speedups. A raw sing...
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transient runtime noise or cache luck,
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a shifted cost hidden in another stage,
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streaming + fused
or an unfair comparison in kernel/runtime configuration. By contrast, when lower bKV, lower bHBM, and higher s co-occur under fixed decode settings and a shared substrate, the systems argument becomes much harder to challenge. Measured witness tuple. For every representative operating point and every frontier read-off, the appendix therefore treats the sy...
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KV blocks are read once from HBM in a page-local pattern, with pointer-table resolution but without repeated revisits to the same block for staging or reconstruc- tion
One-pass block-local reads. KV blocks are read once from HBM in a page-local pattern, with pointer-table resolution but without repeated revisits to the same block for staging or reconstruc- tion
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The decode path does not write intermediate dense keys or auxiliary reconstructed representations to HBM
No auxiliary staging buffers. The decode path does not write intermediate dense keys or auxiliary reconstructed representations to HBM
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No dense key materialization.Similarity is computed directly from the stored representation, not from a reconstructed dense surrogate
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streaming + fused
Shared paged substrate. The same paged/ragged KV substrate is used for all compared methods, so differences in traffic arise from representation consumption rather than from different serving backends. Formalizing one-pass block-local reads. Let the KV cache be partitioned into pages of size P to- kens, indexed by a pointer table. For decode step t, letGt...
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Similarity is computed directly from stored radial/angular codes rather than from reconstructed dense keys
Angle-domain compute. Similarity is computed directly from stored radial/angular codes rather than from reconstructed dense keys
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The controller jointly chooses retention and precision under a hard resident-memory budget
Joint keep/drop + tiering. The controller jointly chooses retention and precision under a hard resident-memory budget
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The emitted cache layout respects tier-homogeneous pages and block- local decode consumption
Paged write contract. The emitted cache layout respects tier-homogeneous pages and block- local decode consumption
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extra overhead
No reconstruction. Dense key materialization is forbidden in the decode hot loop. Figure 11: Ablations A0–A5 at extreme context (L=128K): frontier shift + mechanism evidence under iso- quality (∆ = 0 .8). Top row (A0–A3, three LLMs): For each model (columns), we plot decode throughput s (tok/s; higher is better) versus effective resident KV budget bKV (by...
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the gain is explained entirely by a better compute path
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the gain is explained entirely by a better memory-control policy
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What non-additivity means here
the gain is non-additive, i.e., it arises because the compute path and the control policy reinforce one another under paged serving. What non-additivity means here. In this paper,non-additivity means that the best operating points reached by the joint system cannot be recovered by simply combining the best single-lever variants independently. Formally, a ...
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A1 certification: direct compressed-domain compute reduces the densification tax relative to reconstruction
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A2 certification: joint keep/drop + tiering outperforms retention-only, quant-only, and decoupled control at the same effective budgets
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lost in the middle
A3 certification: adaptive allocation structure is useful under the extreme-context regime rather than only at short lengths. Thus, the 128K ablation figure is not merely a difficult-case illustration. It is the appendix’s strongest causal evidence that the frontier shift survives precisely where the deployment problem is hardest. Table 6: Ablation matrix...
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Increase ti so that the state is represented with more bits / less angular or radial distortion
Tier escalation. Increase ti so that the state is represented with more bits / less angular or radial distortion
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Override a drop decision zi = 0 and pin the state in cache when its local risk is too high
Forced retention. Override a drop decision zi = 0 and pin the state in cache when its local risk is too high. The important point is that both interventions arepredictive. The gate is not explaining failures after they occur; it is altering the memory policy when a local drift estimate signals that a future failure is plausible. What A5 is meant to prove....
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it ensures that the controller is responsive to genuinely dangerous local events
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Thus the gate is not merely a safety heuristic
it ensures that the controller is stable as a systems mechanism, avoiding thrashing and excessive control overhead. Thus the gate is not merely a safety heuristic. It is part of the systems design: it stabilizes the con- troller itself while stabilizing the model’s decode trajectory. How this ties back to the frontier and failure results. The stability fi...
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choose the point with larger s(p),
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if still tied, choose the point with smaller bKV(p),
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if still tied, choose the point with smaller bHBM(p),
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This rule ensures that every panel yields exactly one representative point and that the same point will be recovered whenever the sweep is rerun under the same protocol
if still tied, choose the point with the smallest budget index B in the sweep order. This rule ensures that every panel yields exactly one representative point and that the same point will be recovered whenever the sweep is rerun under the same protocol. Interpretation of the ⋆ marker. The ⋆ marker in each frontier panel is therefore not decorative. It de...
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the Dense-KV reference, represented by the best dense-quality point Q⋆ dense under the same de- code settings,
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The table therefore provides a panel-by-panel numerical rendering of the frontier claim
the representative Spherical-KV point p⋆, selected by the deterministic rule above from the re- tained frontier. The table therefore provides a panel-by-panel numerical rendering of the frontier claim. Quantities reported in the read-off table. Each row reports: • Q⋆ dense: best Dense-KV quality under the panel’s decode settings; • QSphKV: quality at the ...
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quality-constrained byP ∆ m ,
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frontier-constrained by Env∆ m,
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objective-driven through s/bKV,
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Thus, Table 7 is not a replacement for the frontier; it is the reproducible numerical anchor derived from it
deterministic through an explicit tie-breaking rule. Thus, Table 7 is not a replacement for the frontier; it is the reproducible numerical anchor derived from it. D.5.4 What the representative-point table certifies What Table 7 certifies. Taken as a whole, the representative-point table certifies five things. (i) Matched quality. Every Spherical-KV row sa...
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a minimal trigger: the smallest reproducible condition under which the failure appears,
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a local mechanism: the model-side or controller-side reason the failure occurs,
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a witness signal : an observable instability metric, such as a quality drop, Straj ", ∆T ", or disagreement/failure-rate increase,
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The purpose of this section is therefore diagnostic and causal
a controller intervention: a concrete fix, such as tier escalation, protected retention, or outlier- safe handling, together with its bounded systems cost. The purpose of this section is therefore diagnostic and causal. It shows that the safeguards in Spher- ical KV are predictive and actionable: they identify concrete failure regimes before they become w...
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evidence allocation failures (retrieval distractor confusion),
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decision-boundary failures (small-margin step flip, refusal flip),
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outlier-amplified failures (outlier amplification),
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termination and structure failures (termination drift, structured-output corruption),
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just KV compression
action-format failures (tool corruption). This coverage is sufficient for the appendix’s purpose because it shows that the controller addresses not just one type of degradation, but the main ways in which local approximation can become a deployment-relevant behavioral error. A longer list would add examples, but not much additional structure. Why the safe...
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a kernel-native compressed-domain attention path(ADA),
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a budget-explicit rate–distortion controller(RDR),
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fast enough and accurate enough on average
a stability release protocolbased on explicit witness tests. These three objects matter separately, and the results suggest that the paper’s practical value comes from their combination rather than from any one of them alone. (i) Kernel-native compressed-domain attention. The most important distinction between Spheri- cal KV and a large fraction of prior ...
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kernel realism: does the runtime actually realize the claimed memory reduction as lower decode- time traffic, rather than silently paying a reconstruction tax?
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A method that is fast but not stable is not usable; a method that is stable but not kernel-realized is not an actual serving win
behavioral stability: does the operating point preserve length, stop behavior, seed stability, schema validity, tool correctness, and related behavioral invariants strongly enough for deploy- ment? The paper’s systems claim only holds when both constraints are satisfied simultaneously. A method that is fast but not stable is not usable; a method that is s...
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KV traffic dominates wall-clock at the target context lengths, so further reductions in bytes/token are directly valuable
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batch concurrency is limited by KV residency, making resident-memory reduction operationally useful even before peak context is reached
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workloads are retrieval-heavy or tool-sensitive, so graceful degradation and witness-gated sta- bility matter as much as raw average accuracy
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In these settings, the method is not merely plausible but particularly well-matched to the deploy- ment bottleneck the paper targets
the serving stack already uses paging/offloading, so a further reduction in bytes/token can com- pose with existing memory-management strategies. In these settings, the method is not merely plausible but particularly well-matched to the deploy- ment bottleneck the paper targets. Where the method may be less compelling. Conversely, the method is less likel...
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fix a budget target (bytes/token or total KV GiB),
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sweep tier allocations and retention settings to trace the frontier,
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filter candidate points through the witness suite,
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always use Spherical KV
report only the surviving points together with the declaredkernel path, engine settings, and mem- ory accounting. This protocol is intentionally conservative. It discourages best-case reporting and makes the choice of operating point reproducible across engines and workloads. What practitioners should take away. The practical lesson is therefore not “alwa...
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