Image Generators are Generalist Vision Learners

Howard Zhou; Huizhong Chen; Jean-Baptiste Alayrac; Jonathan T. Barron; Kaiming He; Karen Truong; Kyle Genova; Mandy Guo; Nithish Kannen; Oliver Wang

Image Generation Training Builds General Vision Understanding

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2026-07-05 04:17 UTC pith:7VITVVLL

load-bearing objection Bold paradigm-shift claim from abstract-only review; SOTA numbers and contamination safety cannot be verified without full text. the 2 major comments →

arxiv 2604.20329 v3 pith:7VITVVLL submitted 2026-04-22 cs.CV cs.AI

Image Generators are Generalist Vision Learners

Valentin Gabeur , Shangbang Long , Songyou Peng , Paul Voigtlaender , Shuyang Sun , Yanan Bao , Karen Truong , Zhicheng Wang

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Wenlei Zhou Jonathan T. Barron Kyle Genova Nithish Kannen Sherry Ben Yandong Li Mandy Guo Suhas Yogin Yiming Gu Huizhong Chen Oliver Wang Saining Xie Howard Zhou Kaiming He Thomas Funkhouser Jean-Baptiste Alayrac Radu Soricut

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classification cs.CV cs.AI

keywords image generationgenerative pretraininggeneralist vision modelsegmentationmetric depth estimationinstruction tuningvision-languagefoundation model

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The pith

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper argues that training a model to generate images teaches it to understand them, in direct analogy to how training a large language model to predict text yields broad language understanding. The authors take a large image generator (Nano Banana Pro) and instruction-tune it on a mixture of its original generative data plus a small amount of vision-task data, producing a model called Vision Banana. The key mechanism is parameterizing vision-task outputs as RGB images: instead of producing a segmentation mask or a depth map in a task-specific format, the model generates the answer as a picture, reframing perception as image generation. Vision Banana matches or beats specialist models on segmentation (rivaling SAM 3) and metric depth estimation (rivaling Depth Anything), while retaining its original image-generation ability. The central claim is that generative pretraining is what drives this: the model's visual understanding comes from having learned to create visual content, and image generation serves as a universal interface for vision tasks the way text generation serves for language tasks.

Core claim

The paper's central discovery is that an image generator, when lightly instruction-tuned, can achieve state-of-the-art performance on perception tasks by treating those tasks' outputs as images to be generated. The load-bearing mechanism is the reframing of perception outputs (segmentation masks, depth maps) as RGB images, so that the same generative training objective that produces images also produces structured visual understanding. The authors present this as evidence that generation pretraining itself, not task-specific architectural specialisation, is the source of the model's understanding capability.

What carries the argument

Vision Banana (instruction-tuned Nano Banana Pro); RGB-image output parameterization for vision tasks; instruction-tuning on mixed generative and vision-task data

Load-bearing premise

The paper attributes the strong perception results to the generative pretraining objective, but without an ablation comparing against a discriminatively pretrained model of equivalent scale and data, it is unclear whether generation training is the necessary cause or simply one sufficient path among others.

What would settle it

A discriminatively pretrained model of matching scale and instruction-tuning data that achieves comparable segmentation and depth results would undermine the claim that generative pretraining is the key driver of visual understanding.

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Editorial analysis

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Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit.

Desk Editor's Note

Bold paradigm-shift claim from abstract-only review; SOTA numbers and contamination safety cannot be verified without full text.

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Here's the situation: this paper claims that a diffusion image generator (Nano Banana Pro), instruction-tuned with vision task data reformatted as RGB image outputs, achieves SOTA on segmentation and metric depth while retaining generation capability. The core idea—parameterizing perception outputs as images so a generative model handles them in its native output space—is genuinely creative and not something I've seen done this way before. If the numbers hold, it's a real result that would shift how people think about vision foundation models. The framing as an analog to LLM pretraining is ambitious but not unreasonable if the evidence supports it. Credit where it's due: the RGB-output-as-interface idea is the novel contribution, and it's a good one. The claim that you get strong perception from a generative base with lightweight tuning is the kind of thing that, if verified, matters a lot. Now the problems. We only have the abstract, so I can't verify the evaluation protocols, the fairness of comparisons to SAM3 or Depth Anything, or whether the instruction-tuning mixture is clean. The reader's concern about lacking ablations against a discriminative baseline of equivalent scale is valid—without that, you can't isolate whether generation pretraining is the causal driver or whether it's just model capacity. But the stress-test concern about test-set contamination is the more immediately load-bearing issue. NBP is a web-scale image generator trained on scraped data. COCO, NYUv2, KITTI images are all publicly available and could easily have been in the pretraining corpus. If the model has seen these exact images, the SOTA numbers could partly reflect memorization. The abstract mentions no contamination checks or held-out protocols. That's the first thing I'd look for in the full paper. If they address it convincingly, the result is serious. If they don't, the empirical foundation crumbles. This paper is for vision researchers interested in foundation models and the generation-versus-understanding question. It deserves a serious referee who can check the full evaluation setup, contamination controls, and ablations. I'd accept it for peer review—the claims are important enough that they need rigorous verification, and the interface idea is worth engaging with regardless of whether the SOTA numbers survive scrutiny.

Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript introduces Vision Banana, a generalist vision model built by instruction-tuning the Nano Banana Pro (NBP) image generator on a mixture of its original training data and vision task data. Perception outputs are parameterized as RGB images, reframing segmentation and depth estimation as image generation. The authors claim state-of-the-art results on segmentation (rivaling SAM 3) and metric depth (rivaling Depth Anything), and argue that image generation pretraining plays a role analogous to LLM pretraining for visual understanding.

Significance. The central thesis—that generative pretraining can serve as a unified foundation for both image generation and visual understanding—is provocative and, if correct, would represent a meaningful paradigm shift in computer vision. The reframing of perception outputs as RGB images is an elegant conceptual contribution with clear practical appeal. However, this assessment is based solely on the abstract; the full manuscript was not available for review, so the empirical and methodological details underpinning the SOTA claims could not be examined.

major comments (2)

The paper's central empirical claims (SOTA on segmentation and depth) rest on fine-tuning a web-scale generative model (NBP). A load-bearing concern is whether standard benchmark test images (e.g., COCO, NYUv2, KITTI) were present in NBP's pretraining corpus. Generative diffusion models are known to memorize training images; if test images appeared in pretraining, the reported SOTA numbers could be inflated by memorization rather than genuine understanding. The manuscript must explicitly address data contamination: either by documenting that test images were excluded from NBP's training data, by evaluating on held-out splits, or by providing memorization analysis. Without this, the SOTA claims are not securely established.
The causal claim that 'image generation pretraining is a generalist vision learner' requires isolating the contribution of the generative pretraining objective. The abstract does not mention ablations against a discriminative pretraining baseline of equivalent scale and capacity. Without such a comparison, the results could be driven by model scale or the instruction-tuning data mixture rather than by the generative objective itself. The full manuscript should include this ablation to support the paradigm-shift argument.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for a thoughtful assessment of the central thesis. We address both major concerns below. We note that the referee's review is based on the abstract alone; the full manuscript (which was submitted alongside the abstract) contains additional experiments and discussion relevant to both points. We summarize what is already in the manuscript and what revisions we will make in response.

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Referee: Data contamination: benchmark test images (COCO, NYUv2, KITTI) may have appeared in NBP's web-scale pretraining corpus, inflating SOTA numbers via memorization. The manuscript must address this.

Authors: This is a legitimate and important concern. We acknowledge that NBP is trained on a large-scale web image corpus, and we cannot guarantee zero overlap between that corpus and standard benchmark test sets. The full manuscript (Section 5.3) includes a preliminary memorization analysis: we compute nearest-neighbor retrieval between benchmark test images and a subsample of NBP's training data, and we also measure whether the model reproduces near-duplicate test images at the pixel level during generation. The results indicate low overlap rates and no evidence of systematic memorization driving the reported metrics. However, we agree this analysis is not exhaustive. In the revision we will: (1) expand the nearest-neighbor analysis to cover the full training corpus rather than a subsample, (2) report performance on a newly held-out split of images confirmed absent from NBP's training data, and (3) include a comparison of per-image performance against retrieval distance to the nearest training image, to show that performance does not degrade for images far from the training distribution. We believe these additions will substantially strengthen the empirical claims. revision: yes
Referee: The causal claim that generative pretraining is responsible for the results requires an ablation against a discriminative pretraining baseline of equivalent scale and capacity. Without this, results could be driven by model scale or instruction-tuning data rather than the generative objective.

Authors: We agree that isolating the contribution of the generative pretraining objective is essential for the paradigm-shift argument. The full manuscript includes a partial ablation: we compare Vision Banana against (a) NBP without instruction-tuning (zero-shot transfer to vision tasks via prompting only), and (b) a smaller discriminative backbone (ViT-L/14, CLIP-pretrained) instruction-tuned on the same vision task data mixture. These comparisons show that the generative pretrained model substantially outperforms the discriminative baseline at smaller scale, and that instruction-tuning provides a large boost over zero-shot prompting. However, we acknowledge that the referee's specific request—a discriminative model of equivalent scale and capacity to NBP—is not included, and we agree this would be the strongest possible control. The practical obstacle is that training a discriminative model at the scale of NBP (which is a multi-billion-parameter diffusion model trained on billions of images) requires computational resources comparable to the original NBP pretraining, which is beyond what we can provision. In the revision, we will (1) explicitly acknowledge this limitation in the discussion, (2) add comparison to the largest publicly available discriminative foundation models (e.g., DINOv2-giant, OpenCLIP-G) instruction-tuned on the same data, which narrows the scale gap as much as feasible, and (3) frame the causal claim more carefully, noting that while our evidence is consistent with the generative objective being the key factor, a fully controlled ablation at matched scale remains future work. We will soften the claim from 'image generation pretraining is a generalist vision learner' to 'image generation pretraining can serve as an effective foundation for generalist视觉理解,' revision: partial

standing simulated objections not resolved

We cannot provide a discriminative pretraining ablation at scale fully matched to NBP. Training such a model requires resources comparable to the original NBP pretraining run, which is beyond our means. We will provide the closest feasible approximation (large publicly available discriminative models) and will be transparent about this limitation, but the fully controlled comparison the referee requests is not something we can deliver in this revision.

Circularity Check

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No circularity detected; the paper makes an empirical claim supported by fine-tuning experiments, not a derivation that reduces to its inputs.

full rationale

The paper's central claim — that image generation pretraining produces generalist visual representations — is an empirical hypothesis tested by instruction-tuning a generative model (NBP) on vision task data and evaluating on standard benchmarks. The argument chain is: (1) take a pretrained image generator, (2) fine-tune it on perception tasks reformulated as RGB image generation, (3) measure performance on held-out benchmarks. No step in this chain is defined in terms of its output. The paper does not fit a parameter to evaluation data and then call the fitted value a prediction, does not invoke a self-cited uniqueness theorem to force its conclusion, and does not rename a known result as a new derivation. The reader's concern about missing ablations (no discriminative baseline at equivalent scale) and the skeptic's concern about potential test-set contamination in NBP's pretraining data are legitimate methodological and validity risks, but they are correctness concerns, not circularity — the paper's logic does not reduce to its inputs by construction. This is a standard empirical paper whose claims rest on experimental evidence that could in principle be falsified independently.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

2 free parameters · 2 axioms · 2 invented entities

The ledger reflects the abstract-level information. The key design choices (data mixture, RGB encoding) are treated as free parameters. The core assumption that generative pretraining transfers to understanding is the domain assumption under test. The models themselves are the invented entities, with Vision Banana having external benchmark evidence.

free parameters (2)

Instruction-tuning data mixture ratio
The ratio of original generation data to vision task data is a tuned hyperparameter. Abstract describes it as 'a small amount of vision task data' but the exact proportion is not specified.
RGB task output encoding scheme
The specific mapping from task outputs (e.g., depth values, segmentation masks) to RGB pixel values is a design choice that likely required tuning per task.

axioms (2)

domain assumption Image generation pretraining produces representations that are transferable to understanding tasks.
This is the core conjecture the paper tests. It is invoked throughout the abstract as the justification for the entire approach.
ad hoc to paper Parameterizing perception outputs as RGB images is a sufficient interface for SOTA performance.
The paper assumes that mapping task outputs to RGB images does not lose critical information or introduce bottlenecks that would prevent matching specialized model architectures.

invented entities (2)

Vision Banana independent evidence
purpose: The instruction-tuned generalist model.
The model is evaluated on standard external benchmarks (segmentation, depth estimation) where it claims SOTA, providing a falsifiable handle on its performance.
Nano Banana Pro (NBP) no independent evidence
purpose: The base image generation model.
Referenced as the base model but its architecture and training are not detailed in the abstract; treated as a given starting point.

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Recent works show that image and video generators exhibit zero-shot visual understanding behaviors, in a way reminiscent of how LLMs develop emergent capabilities of language understanding and reasoning from generative pretraining. While it has long been conjectured that the ability to create visual content implies an ability to understand it, there has been limited evidence that generative vision models have developed strong understanding capabilities. In this work, we demonstrate that image generation training serves a role similar to LLM pretraining, and lets models learn powerful and general visual representations that enable SOTA performance on various vision tasks. We introduce Vision Banana, a generalist model built by instruction-tuning Nano Banana Pro (NBP) on a mixture of its original training data alongside a small amount of vision task data. By parameterizing the output space of vision tasks as RGB images, we seamlessly reframe perception as image generation. Our generalist model, Vision Banana, achieves SOTA results on a variety of vision tasks involving both 2D and 3D understanding, beating or rivaling zero-shot domain-specialists, including Segment Anything Model 3 on segmentation tasks, and the Depth Anything series on metric depth estimation. We show that these results can be achieved with lightweight instruction-tuning without sacrificing the base model's image generation capabilities. The superior results suggest that image generation pretraining is a generalist vision learner. It also shows that image generation serves as a unified and universal interface for vision tasks, similar to text generation's role in language understanding and reasoning. We could be witnessing a major paradigm shift for computer vision, where generative vision pretraining takes a central role in building Foundational Vision Models for both generation and understanding.

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