Fundamental limitations of single-particle Green's-function zeroes as probes of many-body topology
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Topological invariants from single-particle Green's functions cannot reliably diagnose the topology of interacting many-body states.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We show that topological invariants constructed from single-particle Green's functions (GFs) cannot reliably diagnose the topology of interacting many-body states. Using coupled interacting SSH chains as a minimal example, we demonstrate that a spin-spin interaction can trivialize the many-body ground state without affecting the GF topological invariant. This breakdown originates from the GF's inability to probe electronic excitations in the Fock sectors responsible for the topological degeneracy. Consequently, GF zeroes are not associated with physical topological quasiparticles and cannot generally characterize interacting topological phases.
What carries the argument
The single-particle Green's function topological invariant, which fails to track many-body topology because it cannot probe excitations in the Fock sectors that protect the topological degeneracy.
If this is right
- GF zeroes do not correspond to physical topological quasiparticles in interacting systems.
- Single-particle GF invariants cannot generally classify interacting topological phases.
- Topology in interacting systems must be diagnosed with probes that access the relevant Fock sectors.
- The breakdown applies whenever topological degeneracy is carried by excitations invisible to the single-particle GF.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Similar limitations may affect other single-particle spectral functions used to infer topology in the presence of interactions.
- Many-body extensions of the Green's function or correlation functions involving multiple particles could be required for reliable diagnosis.
- Results obtained from GF-based invariants in strongly interacting materials should be reexamined for consistency with the actual many-body ground state.
Load-bearing premise
The coupled interacting SSH chains provide a valid minimal example in which a spin-spin interaction changes the many-body ground-state topology while leaving the single-particle GF invariant unchanged.
What would settle it
An explicit calculation or measurement in the coupled interacting SSH chains showing that the GF topological invariant changes precisely when the spin-spin interaction trivializes the many-body ground state.
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read the original abstract
We show that topological invariants constructed from single-particle Green's functions (GFs) cannot reliably diagnose the topology of interacting many-body states. Using coupled interacting SSH chains as a minimal example, we demonstrate that a spin-spin interaction can trivialize the many-body ground state without affecting the GF topological invariant. This breakdown originates from the GF's inability to probe electronic excitations in the Fock sectors responsible for the topological degeneracy. Consequently, GF zeroes are not associated with physical topological quasiparticles and cannot generally characterize interacting topological phases.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript claims that topological invariants constructed from single-particle Green's functions (GFs) cannot reliably diagnose the topology of interacting many-body states. Using coupled interacting SSH chains as a minimal example, it shows that a spin-spin interaction can trivialize the many-body ground state without affecting the GF topological invariant, because the GF cannot probe excitations in the Fock sectors responsible for topological degeneracy. The paper concludes that GF zeroes are not associated with physical topological quasiparticles and cannot generally characterize interacting topological phases.
Significance. If the counterexample holds, the result is significant for condensed-matter theory of interacting topological phases, as it identifies a concrete mechanism by which single-particle GF methods miss many-body topological features tied to Fock-space structure. The paper's strength is its use of a minimal, falsifiable model example rather than a general derivation, making the limitation explicit and testable.
minor comments (2)
- The abstract and introduction would benefit from a brief statement of the explicit form of the GF topological invariant employed (e.g., winding number or Zak phase constructed from the GF), to allow immediate comparison with prior literature on GF-based invariants.
- Figure captions should explicitly label the non-interacting versus interacting cases and state the parameter values used for the spin-spin coupling strength.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and for recommending acceptance. The report accurately summarizes the central claim and its implications for the use of single-particle Green's functions in diagnosing interacting topological phases.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity
full rationale
The paper's central claim is established via an explicit counterexample (coupled interacting SSH chains with spin-spin interaction) rather than any derivation, ansatz, or fitted parameter that reduces to its own inputs. The abstract and described mechanism directly exhibit the GF invariant remaining unchanged while the many-body topology is trivialized, with the explanation tied to Fock-sector access limitations; this is an independent, falsifiable construction with no self-definitional steps, no load-bearing self-citations, and no renaming of known results. The argument is self-contained against the model's explicit construction.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption Single-particle Green's functions can be used to construct topological invariants that diagnose many-body states
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In con- trast, a finiteJ 12 introduces a purely many-body interaction that preserves all symmetries
A finitet 12 couples the chains at the single- particle level which breaks the sublattice symmetry. In con- trast, a finiteJ 12 introduces a purely many-body interaction that preserves all symmetries. Trivialization through coupling.—In order to demonstrate that GF zeroes do not reliably characterize the topology of the many-body state in the bulk, in par...
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We find that any finiteJ 12 or t12 opens a spin gap, reflecting the formation of singlets be- tween the two topological edge spin-½ modes and therefore signaling the trivialization of the system as soon as inter-chain coupling is introduced. On the other hand, in Fig. 2(b), we present the GF topolog- ical indicatorZ[G]for three cases: in full blue, dotted...
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