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The scoring mechanism alone determines at which layer an encoder consolidates authorship signal during fine-tuning.
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load-bearing objection The scorer choice appears to set the layer of authorship-signal consolidation through gradient differences, backed by interventions and training curves, though post-training interventions leave room for training confounds. the 2 major comments →
Where Does Authorship Signal Emerge in Encoder-Based Language Models?
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Core claim
When the same encoder is fine-tuned for authorship attribution, the choice of scorer (mean pooling versus late interaction) controls the layer depth at which authorship signal is consolidated inside the encoder. Mean pooling induces early consolidation; late interaction defers it. The difference follows from the gradient flow each scorer imposes and is visible in the distinct training curves that result.
What carries the argument
The scorer (mean pooling versus late interaction), whose gradient structure dictates the layer at which the encoder must assemble authorship information.
Load-bearing premise
Stylistic features remain comparably linearly readable at every layer across all models, including the off-the-shelf control, so the performance gap is produced by where consolidation occurs rather than by differences in feature availability.
What would settle it
Train the same encoder with both scorers on a dataset where the linear readability of stylistic features increases sharply only in the final layers; if the four-fold performance gap then disappears or reverses, the consolidation-timing account is falsified.
If this is right
- Mean-pooling models assemble authorship information by early-to-middle layers.
- Late-interaction models keep authorship information distributed until deeper layers.
- Training dynamics diverge because each scorer back-propagates a different gradient pattern.
- Performance gaps arise from the timing of consolidation, not from the linear readability of stylistic features.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Designers could deliberately pair a scorer with a target layer depth to control when a model learns a given signal.
- The same scorer-induced timing effect may appear when probing other document-level properties such as genre or sentiment.
- Interventions that freeze or ablate layers at the consolidation point could serve as a general diagnostic for where any encoder-based classifier builds its decision.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper claims that authorship attribution models using identical pretrained encoders, data, and loss exhibit up to four-fold performance differences solely due to the scoring mechanism (mean pooling vs. late interaction). Stylistic features (word length, punctuation density, function-word frequency) are linearly readable at every layer across all models including an off-the-shelf control, ruling out readability as the cause. Causal interventions demonstrate that mean pooling forces authorship signal consolidation in early-to-mid layers while late interaction defers it to later layers; this timing difference is derived from the gradient structure of each scorer, and training dynamics exhibit distinct trajectories consistent with that structure.
Significance. If the causal isolation holds, the work supplies a mechanistic account of how scorer choice shapes representation learning in encoder-based models for authorship attribution, with potential implications for other sequence classification tasks. Strengths include the combination of causal interventions, explicit gradient derivations, and training-trajectory comparisons, which together move beyond correlational probes.
major comments (2)
- [Causal intervention experiments] Causal intervention section: the claim that interventions cleanly isolate scorer mechanics from training-induced encoder adaptations is load-bearing for the central result, yet the off-the-shelf control only shows feature availability across layers and does not compare internal representations or attention patterns produced by mean-pooling versus late-interaction fine-tuning trajectories before any intervention is applied.
- [Gradient structure derivation] Gradient-structure derivation: the derivation must demonstrate that the predicted consolidation timing difference arises from scorer gradients independently of any scorer-specific reorganization of encoder weights during joint training; otherwise the post-hoc interventions on fully trained encoders cannot distinguish the two.
minor comments (2)
- Notation for the two scorers should be introduced once with explicit equations rather than relying on prose descriptions in multiple sections.
- Figure captions for layer-wise probe accuracies should state the exact number of runs and report standard deviation bands.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive comments, which help clarify the scope of our claims. We provide point-by-point responses to the major comments below.
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Referee: [Causal intervention experiments] Causal intervention section: the claim that interventions cleanly isolate scorer mechanics from training-induced encoder adaptations is load-bearing for the central result, yet the off-the-shelf control only shows feature availability across layers and does not compare internal representations or attention patterns produced by mean-pooling versus late-interaction fine-tuning trajectories before any intervention is applied.
Authors: The referee correctly identifies that the off-the-shelf control establishes linear readability of stylistic features but does not directly compare internal representations or attention patterns between the two fine-tuning trajectories prior to intervention. Our causal interventions are applied post-training to each scorer-specific model, and the resulting consolidation differences, together with the distinct training trajectories, support scorer-driven effects. To strengthen the isolation claim, we will add a comparison of representation similarities and attention patterns from the mean-pooling and late-interaction models before interventions. revision: yes
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Referee: [Gradient structure derivation] Gradient-structure derivation: the derivation must demonstrate that the predicted consolidation timing difference arises from scorer gradients independently of any scorer-specific reorganization of encoder weights during joint training; otherwise the post-hoc interventions on fully trained encoders cannot distinguish the two.
Authors: The derivation computes gradients through each scorer's functional form (mean pooling versus late interaction) back to the encoder outputs, showing how signal propagation timing differs solely due to the scorer structure. This holds independently of downstream encoder reorganization because it follows from the mathematical form of the scorer gradients. The observed training dynamics match these predictions, and the interventions on trained models confirm the outcome. We will add a clarifying sentence on this independence in the revision. revision: partial
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation relies on independent gradient analysis and interventions
full rationale
The paper claims the scorer determines consolidation timing, derived from gradient structure of mean-pooling vs. late-interaction scorers plus causal interventions and training dynamics. These steps use mathematical properties of gradients and experimental probes (including off-the-shelf control showing stylistic features readable across layers) rather than any reduction to fitted parameters by construction, self-definitional loops, or load-bearing self-citations. No equations or claims in the abstract or described chain equate the target result to its inputs; the central claim retains independent content from the data and interventions.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption Causal interventions on model activations isolate the effect of the scorer on representation formation
read the original abstract
Authorship attribution models fine-tuned with the same pretrained encoder, data, and loss can differ four-fold in performance depending only on their scoring mechanism. We use mechanistic interpretability tools to explain this gap. Stylistic features such as word length, punctuation density, and function-word frequency are similarly available at every layer in every model we probe, including an off-the-shelf control encoder, suggesting that the gap is not explained by their linear readability. Instead, causal intervention shows that the scorer appears to determine where the encoder consolidates authorship signal. Mean pooling forces consolidation by early to mid layers, while late interaction defers it to later layers. We further derive this difference from the gradient structure of each scorer, and training dynamics reveal distinct learning trajectories that follow from that difference.
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