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InfoSFT weights medium-likelihood tokens during fine-tuning to improve generalization while preserving prior capabilities.
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load-bearing objection InfoSFT is a one-line reweighting of the SFT loss toward medium-likelihood tokens under the base model, with the usual empirical claims but limited visible support for the core assumption. the 2 major comments →
InfoSFT: Learn More and Forget Less with Information-Aware Token Weighting
The pith
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Core claim
InfoSFT is a principled weighting scheme for the SFT objective that concentrates learning signals on maximally informative, medium-confidence tokens—those neither overly familiar to the base model nor too unlikely to cause instability. Requiring only a one-line modification to the standard token-wise loss, it improves generalization over vanilla SFT and likelihood-weighted baselines across math, code, and chain-of-thought tasks with diverse model families, while better preserving pre-existing capabilities.
What carries the argument
Information-aware token weighting that assigns higher loss weight to tokens whose likelihood under the base model lies in an intermediate range.
Load-bearing premise
Medium-likelihood tokens are the most informative for learning new behaviors and weighting them avoids both overfitting to unlikely samples and suppression of novel behaviors.
What would settle it
A controlled experiment on a held-out math or code benchmark in which InfoSFT-trained models show no gain in task accuracy and no reduction in capability degradation compared with standard SFT would falsify the central claim.
If this is right
- Better generalization on mathematical reasoning tasks than uniform or likelihood-weighted SFT.
- Improved code-generation performance across model families.
- Stronger retention of pre-training capabilities after adaptation.
- Effective handling of chain-of-thought data without explicit filtering.
- Implementation requires only a one-line change to existing training code.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same weighting logic could be tested inside preference-tuning loops such as RLHF.
- If the medium-likelihood band proves robust, data curation pipelines might shift from hard filtering to soft reweighting.
- Scaling the method to frontier-scale models would test whether the likelihood band remains stable as base-model competence grows.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proposes InfoSFT, a one-line modification to the token-wise supervised fine-tuning (SFT) loss that reweights tokens according to their likelihood under the base model, concentrating on medium-likelihood tokens claimed to be maximally informative. It asserts that this yields better generalization than vanilla SFT or likelihood-weighted baselines on math, code, and chain-of-thought tasks across diverse model families while reducing degradation of prior capabilities.
Significance. If the empirical results hold with proper controls, the approach would supply a lightweight, training-stable alternative to filtering or regeneration methods for SFT, directly addressing the tension between acquiring novel behaviors and retaining base-model knowledge.
major comments (2)
- Abstract: the central claim that InfoSFT 'demonstrably improves generalization ... across math, code, and chain-of-thought tasks with diverse model families' is presented without any equations defining the weighting function, without experimental details, tables, figures, error bars, or statistical tests, rendering the empirical assertion unsupported and unassessable.
- Abstract: the key modeling assumption that 'medium-confidence tokens ... are maximally informative' is stated without derivation, ablation, or comparison to alternative weighting schemes (e.g., entropy-based or gradient-based), leaving the optimality claim without load-bearing justification.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the detailed feedback on the abstract. We address each major comment below. Where the comments identify areas for improvement, we will revise the manuscript accordingly.
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Referee: Abstract: the central claim that InfoSFT 'demonstrably improves generalization ... across math, code, and chain-of-thought tasks with diverse model families' is presented without any equations defining the weighting function, without experimental details, tables, figures, error bars, or statistical tests, rendering the empirical assertion unsupported and unassessable.
Authors: We agree that the abstract is a high-level summary and does not contain the full supporting details. The weighting function is defined explicitly as a one-line modification in Section 3 (Equation 3), with the full experimental setup, tables, figures, and results (including multiple runs) reported in Sections 4 and 5. To make the abstract more self-contained and address the concern directly, we will revise it to briefly state the form of the weighting function and note that results are reported with standard deviations across seeds. revision: yes
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Referee: Abstract: the key modeling assumption that 'medium-confidence tokens ... are maximally informative' is stated without derivation, ablation, or comparison to alternative weighting schemes (e.g., entropy-based or gradient-based), leaving the optimality claim without load-bearing justification.
Authors: The motivation for targeting medium-likelihood tokens (neither too familiar nor too unlikely) is provided in the introduction and Section 3, where we contrast it with uniform SFT and simple likelihood reweighting. The empirical results in the paper already include comparisons to likelihood-weighted baselines. To strengthen the justification, we will add a short theoretical motivation paragraph in Section 3 and include additional ablations against entropy-based weighting in the experiments. Direct comparison to gradient-based schemes is outside the current scope but can be noted as future work if space permits. revision: partial
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; empirical weighting scheme with no derivation chain
full rationale
The manuscript frames InfoSFT as a one-line empirical modification to the token-wise SFT loss that up-weights medium-likelihood tokens under the base model. No equations, derivations, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, or self-citation chains appear in the provided text. The central claim (improved generalization and capability preservation) is asserted via experimental results across tasks and models rather than reduced to any input by construction. The design choice of medium-confidence tokens is presented as a motivated heuristic, not a self-definitional or fitted-input result. This is the common honest outcome for a purely empirical proposal.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
read the original abstract
Supervised fine-tuning (SFT) provides the standard approach for teaching LLMs new behaviors from offline expert demonstrations. However, standard SFT uniformly fits all samples -- including those with low likelihood under the base model -- which can disproportionately drive training updates toward overfitting specific samples rather than learning the target behavior. Moreover, adapting to these unlikely samples induces substantial policy shifts that degrade prior capabilities. Existing methods mitigate this by filtering, regenerating, or down-weighting low-likelihood data. In doing so, they often suppress precisely the novel behaviors the base model has yet to learn. We propose InfoSFT, a principled weighting scheme for the SFT objective that concentrates learning signals on maximally informative, medium-confidence tokens -- those neither overly familiar to the base model nor too unlikely to cause instability. Requiring only a one-line modification to the standard token-wise loss, InfoSFT demonstrably improves generalization over vanilla SFT and likelihood-weighted baselines across math, code, and chain-of-thought tasks with diverse model families, while better preserving pre-existing capabilities.
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When walking at speed \( s \) km/h, the total time including coffee shop time is 4 hours
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When walking at speed \( s + 2 \) km/h, the total time including coffee shop time is 2 hours and 24 minutes
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Let me note that 2 hours and 24 minutes is equal to 2.4 hours
We need to find the total time when she walks at \( s + \frac{1}{2} \) km/h. Let me note that 2 hours and 24 minutes is equal to 2.4 hours. So, the total time in hours for the second case is 2.4 hours. Let’s denote: - \( s \): original speed in km/h - \( t \): time spent in the coffee shop in hours - \( d = 9 \) km: distance of the walk First, when she wa...
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\( s = \frac{20}{8} = 2.5 \) km/h
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the Irreducible fraction value of [the expression]
\( s = \frac{ -36 }{8 } = -4.5 \) km/h Since speed can’t be negative, we discard the negative solution. So, \( s = 2.5 \) km/h. Now, substitute \( s = 2.5 \) into equation (1) to find \( t \): \( \frac{9}{2.5} + t = 4 \) Calculate \( 9 / 2.5 \): 2.5 * 3 = 7.5, 9 -7.5 =1.5, so 9 /2.5 = 3.6 22 Thus, 3.6 + t = 4 Therefore, \( t = 4 - 3.6 = 0.4 \) hours. Conv...
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3 + [something]
So the answer is 43. But let me check once again. Maybe I misread the expression. Let me write it out in order of operations. The expression is 3 + 1/(3 + 1/(3 + 1/3)). So starting from the innermost parentheses: 3 + 1/3 is 10/3. Then, 3 + 1/(10/3) is 3 + 3/10, which is 33/10. Then, adding 3 to that? Wait, hold on! Wait, the entire expression is 3 + 1 div...
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[Step 1]
Compute the innermost fraction: 3 + 1/3 = 10/3. [Step 1]
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Since 1/(10/3) = 3/10, so 3 + 3/10 = 33/10
Then, compute the next layer: 3 + 1/(10/3). Since 1/(10/3) = 3/10, so 3 + 3/10 = 33/10. [Step 2]
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Wait, no
Then, the entire expression is 3 + 1/(33/10). Wait, no. Wait, the original expression is 3 + [1/(33/10)]. Wait, no. Wait, no. The original expression is 3 + 1/[3 + 1/(3 + 1/3)]. So after step 2, the expression is 3 + 1/(33/10). Wait, no. Wait, no. Let me think again. No, the original expression is 3 + [1 divided by (3 + 1/(3 + 1/3))]. So the denominator i...
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Innermost: 3 + 1/3 = 10/3
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Next layer: 3 + 1/(10/3) = 3 + 3/10 = 33/10
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the Irreducible fraction value of [the expression]
Entire expression: 3 + 1/(33/10) = 3 + 10/33 = (99/33 + 10/33) = 109/33. Yes, so that’s correct. Therefore, the answer is 109/33, so m is 109 and n is 33, so m + n = 142. But wait, the problem says "the Irreducible fraction value of [the expression]". So 109/33 is already in its simplest form because 109 is a prime number. Let me check: 109 is a prime num...
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Compute the innermost fraction: \[ 3 + \frac{1}{3} = \frac{9}{3} + \frac{1}{3} = \frac{10}{3} \]
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Next, we use this result in the next layer of the expression: \[ 3 + \frac{1}{\frac{10}{3}} = 3 + \frac{3}{10} = \frac{30}{10} + \frac{3}{10} = \frac{33}{10} \]
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Therefore, \(m = 109\) and \(n = 33\)
Finally, we use this result in the entire expression: \[ 3 + \frac{1}{\frac{33}{10}} = 3 + \frac{10}{33} = \frac{99}{33} + \frac{10}{33} = \frac{109}{33} \] The fraction \(\frac{109}{33}\) is already in its simplest form because 109 is a prime number and 33 is \(3 \times 11\). Therefore, \(m = 109\) and \(n = 33\). The value of \(m + n\) is: \[ 109 + 33 =...
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